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Rationale for describing kurtosis as “peakedness”?
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Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, many quantitative finance sources of information, including teaching resources such as CFA prep, persist in defining kurtosis as a measure of "peakedness." Can anyone give a logical rationale for this characterization in terms of distributions of asset returns?
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Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, many quantitative finance sources of information, including teaching resources such as CFA prep, persist in defining kurtosis as a measure of "peakedness." Can anyone give a logical rationale for this characterization in terms of distributions of asset returns?
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what is the "evidence to the contrary" ?
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– Alex C
8 hours ago
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Not trying to be a jerk here, but "Peakedness," "Tailedness" who cares? Is the characterization even important? For any metric, understanding use and interpretation are what matters.
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Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, many quantitative finance sources of information, including teaching resources such as CFA prep, persist in defining kurtosis as a measure of "peakedness." Can anyone give a logical rationale for this characterization in terms of distributions of asset returns?
kurtosis
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Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, many quantitative finance sources of information, including teaching resources such as CFA prep, persist in defining kurtosis as a measure of "peakedness." Can anyone give a logical rationale for this characterization in terms of distributions of asset returns?
kurtosis
kurtosis
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what is the "evidence to the contrary" ?
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– Alex C
8 hours ago
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Not trying to be a jerk here, but "Peakedness," "Tailedness" who cares? Is the characterization even important? For any metric, understanding use and interpretation are what matters.
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– amdopt
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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what is the "evidence to the contrary" ?
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– Alex C
8 hours ago
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Not trying to be a jerk here, but "Peakedness," "Tailedness" who cares? Is the characterization even important? For any metric, understanding use and interpretation are what matters.
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– amdopt
4 hours ago
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what is the "evidence to the contrary" ?
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– Alex C
8 hours ago
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what is the "evidence to the contrary" ?
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– Alex C
8 hours ago
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Not trying to be a jerk here, but "Peakedness," "Tailedness" who cares? Is the characterization even important? For any metric, understanding use and interpretation are what matters.
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– amdopt
4 hours ago
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Not trying to be a jerk here, but "Peakedness," "Tailedness" who cares? Is the characterization even important? For any metric, understanding use and interpretation are what matters.
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Quailtatively a (zero skewness) Leptokurtic distribution, after being standardized to have zero mean and unit variance shows three features when you plot the density and compare it to a standard normal N(0,1) distribution: higher peak, higher (fatter) tails, and lower mid-range(*). All three properties go together, even though people sometimes mention only one of them ("a fat tailed distribution"). After all there has to be an area of 1 under the curve, and a variance of 1, so a deficit in the mid-range has to be made up by an excess elsewhere, i.e. in the tails and near the centre. Otherwise it would not be a probability distribution or would not have unit variance. The peakedness in the centre "balances" the thickness in the tails while staying with a unit variance.
So "peakedness in the centre" and "fat in the tails" describe exactly the same thing. You can't have one without the other.
(*) By mid-range is meant the two areas, one on each side, located approximately one standard deviation from the centre.
answered 8 hours ago
Alex CAlex C
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I understand where you are coming from but I think this is fruitless. Distributions are functions, i.e. they have infinite degrees of freedom. Were your statement still true if the distribution is multimodal or had point masses?
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– g g
7 hours ago
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Fat tails are a problem because so many of the models we use assume that the data are Gaussian IID. Fat tails means an increased probablility of events that we considered rare. For example the Black Scholes option pricing model assume your data are Gaussian. If they have a high kurtosis, this problematic.
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Quailtatively a (zero skewness) Leptokurtic distribution, after being standardized to have zero mean and unit variance shows three features when you plot the density and compare it to a standard normal N(0,1) distribution: higher peak, higher (fatter) tails, and lower mid-range(*). All three properties go together, even though people sometimes mention only one of them ("a fat tailed distribution"). After all there has to be an area of 1 under the curve, and a variance of 1, so a deficit in the mid-range has to be made up by an excess elsewhere, i.e. in the tails and near the centre. Otherwise it would not be a probability distribution or would not have unit variance. The peakedness in the centre "balances" the thickness in the tails while staying with a unit variance.
So "peakedness in the centre" and "fat in the tails" describe exactly the same thing. You can't have one without the other.
(*) By mid-range is meant the two areas, one on each side, located approximately one standard deviation from the centre.
answered 8 hours ago
Alex CAlex C
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I understand where you are coming from but I think this is fruitless. Distributions are functions, i.e. they have infinite degrees of freedom. Were your statement still true if the distribution is multimodal or had point masses?
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– g g
7 hours ago
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Fat tails are a problem because so many of the models we use assume that the data are Gaussian IID. Fat tails means an increased probablility of events that we considered rare. For example the Black Scholes option pricing model assume your data are Gaussian. If they have a high kurtosis, this problematic.
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– Jacques Joubert
3 hours ago
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$begingroup$
Quailtatively a (zero skewness) Leptokurtic distribution, after being standardized to have zero mean and unit variance shows three features when you plot the density and compare it to a standard normal N(0,1) distribution: higher peak, higher (fatter) tails, and lower mid-range(*). All three properties go together, even though people sometimes mention only one of them ("a fat tailed distribution"). After all there has to be an area of 1 under the curve, and a variance of 1, so a deficit in the mid-range has to be made up by an excess elsewhere, i.e. in the tails and near the centre. Otherwise it would not be a probability distribution or would not have unit variance. The peakedness in the centre "balances" the thickness in the tails while staying with a unit variance.
So "peakedness in the centre" and "fat in the tails" describe exactly the same thing. You can't have one without the other.
(*) By mid-range is meant the two areas, one on each side, located approximately one standard deviation from the centre.
answered 8 hours ago
Alex CAlex C
6,72211123
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I understand where you are coming from but I think this is fruitless. Distributions are functions, i.e. they have infinite degrees of freedom. Were your statement still true if the distribution is multimodal or had point masses?
$endgroup$
– g g
7 hours ago
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Fat tails are a problem because so many of the models we use assume that the data are Gaussian IID. Fat tails means an increased probablility of events that we considered rare. For example the Black Scholes option pricing model assume your data are Gaussian. If they have a high kurtosis, this problematic.
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– Jacques Joubert
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Quailtatively a (zero skewness) Leptokurtic distribution, after being standardized to have zero mean and unit variance shows three features when you plot the density and compare it to a standard normal N(0,1) distribution: higher peak, higher (fatter) tails, and lower mid-range(*). All three properties go together, even though people sometimes mention only one of them ("a fat tailed distribution"). After all there has to be an area of 1 under the curve, and a variance of 1, so a deficit in the mid-range has to be made up by an excess elsewhere, i.e. in the tails and near the centre. Otherwise it would not be a probability distribution or would not have unit variance. The peakedness in the centre "balances" the thickness in the tails while staying with a unit variance.
So "peakedness in the centre" and "fat in the tails" describe exactly the same thing. You can't have one without the other.
(*) By mid-range is meant the two areas, one on each side, located approximately one standard deviation from the centre.
answered 8 hours ago
Alex CAlex C
6,72211123
$endgroup$
Quailtatively a (zero skewness) Leptokurtic distribution, after being standardized to have zero mean and unit variance shows three features when you plot the density and compare it to a standard normal N(0,1) distribution: higher peak, higher (fatter) tails, and lower mid-range(*). All three properties go together, even though people sometimes mention only one of them ("a fat tailed distribution"). After all there has to be an area of 1 under the curve, and a variance of 1, so a deficit in the mid-range has to be made up by an excess elsewhere, i.e. in the tails and near the centre. Otherwise it would not be a probability distribution or would not have unit variance. The peakedness in the centre "balances" the thickness in the tails while staying with a unit variance.
So "peakedness in the centre" and "fat in the tails" describe exactly the same thing. You can't have one without the other.
(*) By mid-range is meant the two areas, one on each side, located approximately one standard deviation from the centre.
answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
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I understand where you are coming from but I think this is fruitless. Distributions are functions, i.e. they have infinite degrees of freedom. Were your statement still true if the distribution is multimodal or had point masses?
$endgroup$
– g g
7 hours ago
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Fat tails are a problem because so many of the models we use assume that the data are Gaussian IID. Fat tails means an increased probablility of events that we considered rare. For example the Black Scholes option pricing model assume your data are Gaussian. If they have a high kurtosis, this problematic.
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– Jacques Joubert
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I understand where you are coming from but I think this is fruitless. Distributions are functions, i.e. they have infinite degrees of freedom. Were your statement still true if the distribution is multimodal or had point masses?
$endgroup$
– g g
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Fat tails are a problem because so many of the models we use assume that the data are Gaussian IID. Fat tails means an increased probablility of events that we considered rare. For example the Black Scholes option pricing model assume your data are Gaussian. If they have a high kurtosis, this problematic.
$endgroup$
– Jacques Joubert
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
I understand where you are coming from but I think this is fruitless. Distributions are functions, i.e. they have infinite degrees of freedom. Were your statement still true if the distribution is multimodal or had point masses?
$endgroup$
– g g
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
I understand where you are coming from but I think this is fruitless. Distributions are functions, i.e. they have infinite degrees of freedom. Were your statement still true if the distribution is multimodal or had point masses?
$endgroup$
– g g
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Fat tails are a problem because so many of the models we use assume that the data are Gaussian IID. Fat tails means an increased probablility of events that we considered rare. For example the Black Scholes option pricing model assume your data are Gaussian. If they have a high kurtosis, this problematic.
$endgroup$
– Jacques Joubert
3 hours ago
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Fat tails are a problem because so many of the models we use assume that the data are Gaussian IID. Fat tails means an increased probablility of events that we considered rare. For example the Black Scholes option pricing model assume your data are Gaussian. If they have a high kurtosis, this problematic.
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– Jacques Joubert
3 hours ago
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what is the "evidence to the contrary" ?
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– Alex C
8 hours ago
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Not trying to be a jerk here, but "Peakedness," "Tailedness" who cares? Is the characterization even important? For any metric, understanding use and interpretation are what matters.
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– amdopt
4 hours ago