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E.g. three players want to hurl a gigantic boulder at a monster during combat. Neither one can achieve this alone and must muster their combined strength to lift and hurl the massive stone.



The help action, in any case, won't work, since on p-175 of the Player's Handbook on working together states:




A character can only provide help if the task is one that he or she could attempt alone.




So what should the players do? This should be a team effort and not an assist, so all three players actions must be used.










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E.g. three players want to hurl a gigantic boulder at a monster during combat. Neither one can achieve this alone and must muster their combined strength to lift and hurl the massive stone.



The help action, in any case, won't work, since on p-175 of the Player's Handbook on working together states:




A character can only provide help if the task is one that he or she could attempt alone.




So what should the players do? This should be a team effort and not an assist, so all three players actions must be used.










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  • $begingroup$
    I'm a little confused as to what kind of answer you're looking for, as you've tagged it "rules-as-written" but you seem to be proposing an answer that's just a "reasonable thing to do" but that isn't seemingly directly supported by the text of the rules. Are you looking for if the book says something to do for this, or are you looking for ways other DMs have handled similar cases despite a lack of clarity from the book?
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E.g. three players want to hurl a gigantic boulder at a monster during combat. Neither one can achieve this alone and must muster their combined strength to lift and hurl the massive stone.



The help action, in any case, won't work, since on p-175 of the Player's Handbook on working together states:




A character can only provide help if the task is one that he or she could attempt alone.




So what should the players do? This should be a team effort and not an assist, so all three players actions must be used.










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E.g. three players want to hurl a gigantic boulder at a monster during combat. Neither one can achieve this alone and must muster their combined strength to lift and hurl the massive stone.



The help action, in any case, won't work, since on p-175 of the Player's Handbook on working together states:




A character can only provide help if the task is one that he or she could attempt alone.




So what should the players do? This should be a team effort and not an assist, so all three players actions must be used.







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@PeterCooperJr. The rules-as-written tag is inappropriate on this question. It is also in the process of being removed due to issues like this.
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37 mins ago




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@PeterCooperJr. The rules-as-written tag is inappropriate on this question. It is also in the process of being removed due to issues like this.
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@H2Forge, Stackstuck has a good point. The second half of your question reads more like an answer. You should either remove it and post is as a separate answer. Or edit the question to focus on asking about your homebrew rule.
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By RAW, you're right



You've cited the relevant rule already. If a character doesn't have the Strength to lift/drag the boulder (see Lifting and Carrying, PHB p.176), there's no way they're going to get it moving, and that falls into the 'debatable' category of being able to attempt the action, at best.



But clearly that makes no sense



Lifting or pushing a large object in tandem with others is the poster child for tasks that benefit from multiple participants (so long as there's room for everyone).



You (assuming you're the DM in this scenario; if you're not, pitch this to them) would be well within your rights to rule that anything with a Strength score would be able to use the Help action to contribute their excess Lift/Drag capacity to the task.



Technically, it wouldn't even require a check to lift it (encumbrance works like a passive Strength score, you'd simply add the total and compare to the size of the boulder).



Effectively, your players would be creating an improvised Rolling Sphere trap, from which we can borrow mechanics:




... a 10 foot diameter rolling sphere of solid stone ... moves 60 feet in a straight line. [It] can move through creatures' spaces, and creatures can move through its space, treating it as difficult terrain.



Whenever the sphere enters a creature's space or a creature enters its space while it's rolling, that creature must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or take 55 (10d10) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone.



... As an action, a creature within 5 feet of the sphere can attempt to slow it down with a DC 20 Strength check. On a successful check, the sphere's speed is reduced by 15 feet. If the sphere's speed drops to 0, it stops moving and is no longer a threat.



[DMG p.123]







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My own solution is to add a caveat to the the help action:




If the creature with the highest ability modifier can not complete the task alone, then the help action becomes a "group effort", becoming a group check without advantage.




The GM should therefore adjust the DC according to who is participating and how many are participating.






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    I quite like your rule and think it is well written. To improve this as an answer post you could add how you came to that ruling, an example of how you would apply it, or even better an example of how it worked at the table (if you have used it yet). Expand on how a DM should adjust the DC based on who/how many are participating to make this a complete rule would also be good. I'm not saying this is bad, it's quiet good actually, but it could be a great answer.
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By RAW, you're right



You've cited the relevant rule already. If a character doesn't have the Strength to lift/drag the boulder (see Lifting and Carrying, PHB p.176), there's no way they're going to get it moving, and that falls into the 'debatable' category of being able to attempt the action, at best.



But clearly that makes no sense



Lifting or pushing a large object in tandem with others is the poster child for tasks that benefit from multiple participants (so long as there's room for everyone).



You (assuming you're the DM in this scenario; if you're not, pitch this to them) would be well within your rights to rule that anything with a Strength score would be able to use the Help action to contribute their excess Lift/Drag capacity to the task.



Technically, it wouldn't even require a check to lift it (encumbrance works like a passive Strength score, you'd simply add the total and compare to the size of the boulder).



Effectively, your players would be creating an improvised Rolling Sphere trap, from which we can borrow mechanics:




... a 10 foot diameter rolling sphere of solid stone ... moves 60 feet in a straight line. [It] can move through creatures' spaces, and creatures can move through its space, treating it as difficult terrain.



Whenever the sphere enters a creature's space or a creature enters its space while it's rolling, that creature must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or take 55 (10d10) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone.



... As an action, a creature within 5 feet of the sphere can attempt to slow it down with a DC 20 Strength check. On a successful check, the sphere's speed is reduced by 15 feet. If the sphere's speed drops to 0, it stops moving and is no longer a threat.



[DMG p.123]







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    Adding a section on how the OP can use those mechanics to resolve their problem might be a good idea. As written it isn't entirely clear what you are suggesting.
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By RAW, you're right



You've cited the relevant rule already. If a character doesn't have the Strength to lift/drag the boulder (see Lifting and Carrying, PHB p.176), there's no way they're going to get it moving, and that falls into the 'debatable' category of being able to attempt the action, at best.



But clearly that makes no sense



Lifting or pushing a large object in tandem with others is the poster child for tasks that benefit from multiple participants (so long as there's room for everyone).



You (assuming you're the DM in this scenario; if you're not, pitch this to them) would be well within your rights to rule that anything with a Strength score would be able to use the Help action to contribute their excess Lift/Drag capacity to the task.



Technically, it wouldn't even require a check to lift it (encumbrance works like a passive Strength score, you'd simply add the total and compare to the size of the boulder).



Effectively, your players would be creating an improvised Rolling Sphere trap, from which we can borrow mechanics:




... a 10 foot diameter rolling sphere of solid stone ... moves 60 feet in a straight line. [It] can move through creatures' spaces, and creatures can move through its space, treating it as difficult terrain.



Whenever the sphere enters a creature's space or a creature enters its space while it's rolling, that creature must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or take 55 (10d10) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone.



... As an action, a creature within 5 feet of the sphere can attempt to slow it down with a DC 20 Strength check. On a successful check, the sphere's speed is reduced by 15 feet. If the sphere's speed drops to 0, it stops moving and is no longer a threat.



[DMG p.123]







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By RAW, you're right



You've cited the relevant rule already. If a character doesn't have the Strength to lift/drag the boulder (see Lifting and Carrying, PHB p.176), there's no way they're going to get it moving, and that falls into the 'debatable' category of being able to attempt the action, at best.



But clearly that makes no sense



Lifting or pushing a large object in tandem with others is the poster child for tasks that benefit from multiple participants (so long as there's room for everyone).



You (assuming you're the DM in this scenario; if you're not, pitch this to them) would be well within your rights to rule that anything with a Strength score would be able to use the Help action to contribute their excess Lift/Drag capacity to the task.



Technically, it wouldn't even require a check to lift it (encumbrance works like a passive Strength score, you'd simply add the total and compare to the size of the boulder).



Effectively, your players would be creating an improvised Rolling Sphere trap, from which we can borrow mechanics:




... a 10 foot diameter rolling sphere of solid stone ... moves 60 feet in a straight line. [It] can move through creatures' spaces, and creatures can move through its space, treating it as difficult terrain.



Whenever the sphere enters a creature's space or a creature enters its space while it's rolling, that creature must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or take 55 (10d10) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone.



... As an action, a creature within 5 feet of the sphere can attempt to slow it down with a DC 20 Strength check. On a successful check, the sphere's speed is reduced by 15 feet. If the sphere's speed drops to 0, it stops moving and is no longer a threat.



[DMG p.123]







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By RAW, you're right



You've cited the relevant rule already. If a character doesn't have the Strength to lift/drag the boulder (see Lifting and Carrying, PHB p.176), there's no way they're going to get it moving, and that falls into the 'debatable' category of being able to attempt the action, at best.



But clearly that makes no sense



Lifting or pushing a large object in tandem with others is the poster child for tasks that benefit from multiple participants (so long as there's room for everyone).



You (assuming you're the DM in this scenario; if you're not, pitch this to them) would be well within your rights to rule that anything with a Strength score would be able to use the Help action to contribute their excess Lift/Drag capacity to the task.



Technically, it wouldn't even require a check to lift it (encumbrance works like a passive Strength score, you'd simply add the total and compare to the size of the boulder).



Effectively, your players would be creating an improvised Rolling Sphere trap, from which we can borrow mechanics:




... a 10 foot diameter rolling sphere of solid stone ... moves 60 feet in a straight line. [It] can move through creatures' spaces, and creatures can move through its space, treating it as difficult terrain.



Whenever the sphere enters a creature's space or a creature enters its space while it's rolling, that creature must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or take 55 (10d10) bludgeoning damage and be knocked prone.



... As an action, a creature within 5 feet of the sphere can attempt to slow it down with a DC 20 Strength check. On a successful check, the sphere's speed is reduced by 15 feet. If the sphere's speed drops to 0, it stops moving and is no longer a threat.



[DMG p.123]








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    Adding a section on how the OP can use those mechanics to resolve their problem might be a good idea. As written it isn't entirely clear what you are suggesting.
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    Adding a section on how the OP can use those mechanics to resolve their problem might be a good idea. As written it isn't entirely clear what you are suggesting.
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Adding a section on how the OP can use those mechanics to resolve their problem might be a good idea. As written it isn't entirely clear what you are suggesting.
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My own solution is to add a caveat to the the help action:




If the creature with the highest ability modifier can not complete the task alone, then the help action becomes a "group effort", becoming a group check without advantage.




The GM should therefore adjust the DC according to who is participating and how many are participating.






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    I quite like your rule and think it is well written. To improve this as an answer post you could add how you came to that ruling, an example of how you would apply it, or even better an example of how it worked at the table (if you have used it yet). Expand on how a DM should adjust the DC based on who/how many are participating to make this a complete rule would also be good. I'm not saying this is bad, it's quiet good actually, but it could be a great answer.
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My own solution is to add a caveat to the the help action:




If the creature with the highest ability modifier can not complete the task alone, then the help action becomes a "group effort", becoming a group check without advantage.




The GM should therefore adjust the DC according to who is participating and how many are participating.






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    I quite like your rule and think it is well written. To improve this as an answer post you could add how you came to that ruling, an example of how you would apply it, or even better an example of how it worked at the table (if you have used it yet). Expand on how a DM should adjust the DC based on who/how many are participating to make this a complete rule would also be good. I'm not saying this is bad, it's quiet good actually, but it could be a great answer.
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$begingroup$

My own solution is to add a caveat to the the help action:




If the creature with the highest ability modifier can not complete the task alone, then the help action becomes a "group effort", becoming a group check without advantage.




The GM should therefore adjust the DC according to who is participating and how many are participating.






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My own solution is to add a caveat to the the help action:




If the creature with the highest ability modifier can not complete the task alone, then the help action becomes a "group effort", becoming a group check without advantage.




The GM should therefore adjust the DC according to who is participating and how many are participating.







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  • $begingroup$
    I quite like your rule and think it is well written. To improve this as an answer post you could add how you came to that ruling, an example of how you would apply it, or even better an example of how it worked at the table (if you have used it yet). Expand on how a DM should adjust the DC based on who/how many are participating to make this a complete rule would also be good. I'm not saying this is bad, it's quiet good actually, but it could be a great answer.
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  • $begingroup$
    I quite like your rule and think it is well written. To improve this as an answer post you could add how you came to that ruling, an example of how you would apply it, or even better an example of how it worked at the table (if you have used it yet). Expand on how a DM should adjust the DC based on who/how many are participating to make this a complete rule would also be good. I'm not saying this is bad, it's quiet good actually, but it could be a great answer.
    $endgroup$
    – linksassin
    14 mins ago















$begingroup$
I quite like your rule and think it is well written. To improve this as an answer post you could add how you came to that ruling, an example of how you would apply it, or even better an example of how it worked at the table (if you have used it yet). Expand on how a DM should adjust the DC based on who/how many are participating to make this a complete rule would also be good. I'm not saying this is bad, it's quiet good actually, but it could be a great answer.
$endgroup$
– linksassin
14 mins ago




$begingroup$
I quite like your rule and think it is well written. To improve this as an answer post you could add how you came to that ruling, an example of how you would apply it, or even better an example of how it worked at the table (if you have used it yet). Expand on how a DM should adjust the DC based on who/how many are participating to make this a complete rule would also be good. I'm not saying this is bad, it's quiet good actually, but it could be a great answer.
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