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Proving the given two groups are isomorphic



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So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = y in mathbb R$. I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?










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    So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = y in mathbb R$. I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?










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      So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = y in mathbb R$. I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?










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      So I am given a group $mathbb R^3$ and a group $H$ = y in mathbb R$. I have to prove that that $mathbb R^3/H$ $cong$ $mathbb R^2$. I am not sure how to even begin. My difficulty is coming up with a map between the the two sets. I have already verified that $H unlhd mathbb R^3$. So all I know is $mathbb R^3/H$ is a group. Also, from first isomorphism theorem, I know that the group is isomorphic to the image of the map $f: mathbb R^3 to A$, and I do not know what that $A$ is supposed to be. Today is the first day I learned about isomorphism, and I am very confused what is going on. Can anyone provide some help on this?







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          The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.






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            We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
            If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
            Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
            The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
            Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$






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              I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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            The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.






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              The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.






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                $begingroup$

                The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.






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                The first isomorphism theorem asserts that, if $varphi: Ato B$ is a surjective homomorphism, then $Bcong A/kervarphi$. In your problem, you wish to show $mathbb R^2congmathbb R^3/H $, so a natural guess would be to take $A=mathbb R^3$ and $B=mathbb R^2$. Now it remains to construct the homomorphism so that $kervarphi=H$. I will leave the rest to you.







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                    We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
                    If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
                    Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
                    The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
                    Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$






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                      I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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                      Yes, that will also work.
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                    $begingroup$

                    We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
                    If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
                    Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
                    The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
                    Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$






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                    • $begingroup$
                      I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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                      Yes, that will also work.
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                    $begingroup$

                    We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
                    If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
                    Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
                    The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
                    Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$






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                    We can use the first isomorphism theorem for groups here as you indicated. Consider the map $f : mathbbR^3 longrightarrow mathbbR^2$ as follows, $f(x,y,z) = (y,y+z)$. First, we show that this map is a well-defined group homomorphism and next show that $H = y in mathbbR $ is its kernel.
                    If $(x_1,y_1,z_1) = (x_2,y_2,z_2)$ then $f(x_1,y_1,z_1) = f(x_2,y_2,z_2)$ hence map is well defined.
                    Next we show this map is homomorphism. $f((x_1,y_1,z_1) + (x_2,y_2,z_2)) = f(x_1+x_2,y_1+y_2,z_1+z_2) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+y_2)+(z_1+z_2)) = (y_1+y_2, (y_1+z_1)+(y_2+z_2) = (y_1,y_1+z_1) + (y_2,y_2+z_2) = f(x_1,y_1,z_1) +f(x_2,y_2,z_2). textMoreover, f(0,0,0) = (0,0)$
                    The kernel of this map is seen to be all $(x,y,z) in mathbbR$ such that $y,z$ are $0$ , i.e., $H$.
                    Hence first isomorphism theorem applies and $ mathbbR^3/H equiv mathbbR^2.$







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                    • $begingroup$
                      I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
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                      Yes, that will also work.
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                    • $begingroup$
                      I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
                      $endgroup$
                      – Ufomammut
                      20 mins ago











                    • $begingroup$
                      Yes, that will also work.
                      $endgroup$
                      – Mayank Mishra
                      17 mins ago















                    $begingroup$
                    I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Ufomammut
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                    $begingroup$
                    I came up with something similar, but what about the map $f((x,y,z)) = (y,z)$? I think this one should be fine too, right?
                    $endgroup$
                    – Ufomammut
                    20 mins ago













                    $begingroup$
                    Yes, that will also work.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Mayank Mishra
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                    $begingroup$
                    Yes, that will also work.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Mayank Mishra
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